the fact is this, despite what any non knight player will tell you, any good knight used simple ro hook and knew where the gutter lines were. trappers doing 25k-35k is insane. Saders dominate the maps they should (demon/undead/shadow). First time trying BB x_x. Ankle snare by itself is a hideously broken ability. I personally think bowling bash hitting twice at such a high chance is too powerful.. So how to solve this? And I think I speak for all knight players in that I would rather have to use a program to see gutter lines and deal full dmg with my bowling bash then have no gutter lines and get a straight damage nerf. all it did was mean we had to move a few cells sometimes with our mob or fly wing when we got hit locked on a gutter line. I use Aspersio when I'm hunting stuff like Raydrics without bringing my priest with me. again, you are using a shit ton of resources to farm with a knight. The only unreliable part of that skill is casting it on areas that aren't gutter lines. Knights can just get Aspersio/Endows and do elemental BB which right now deals 100% less damage than Holy Cross BUT it's AoE. Only tools that help them mob. In fact, if you knew nothing about gutter lines at all, you are more likely to BB a mob outside of gutter line than in it with the non gutter line areas being larger and all. Somewhere along the line they changed up Bowling Bash into this ridiculously powerful skill. at which point a knight player deserves to be able to do that. Stuff like this usually comes down to some ulterior motive, and could tarnish reputations. Bowling Bash is what makes a Knight. How desperate are you to have a 20% damage buff on your poorly built knight? It's way cheaper to just go from 1 mob to another to kill them, which you can also do on a Knight if you build for it. So as such, they shouldn't be nerfed. Knights are built to mob and nothing else. Also quite expensive to level it’s supply … if you're talking about this  sorry but he's only talking about the coordinates below the minimap, something that we already have. Knights don't have any other form of good dps besides Bowling Bash. 1. … Posted on December 30, 2019 | By Wizzzzard | No comments. you are just going to take a shit ton of damage. <--- ??? Yeah, sure. I've been playing knight WITH an earth deleter and it feels incredibly weak and underwhelming. Thats just...pitiful. You act like reducing the total BB damage by 20% removes Knights ability to mob and kill monsters. vit builds get you hit far more often than agi builds (duh). And as he Said you use hide and lose aggro and shit. The whole idea of "well this is WAY better than other classes AOE so it needs to be nerfed" is silly because it should be way better than other classes. Playing around gutter lines is part of the knights life. BB does NOT out dps that vs those mobs. I've also talked to people playing knight in my guild and they notice the nerf too. But you take a shit ton more damage. thats my point. . Its been hard, 80% of the time that i die is becaues of it, if anyone has a solution. argument is that knights bring nothing but mobbing/dps with literally zero utility. There is no compromise to reach but balancing the game. 7 members have voted. Did you know that unnerfed BB deals more damage than skills like Sonic Blow, Holy Cross and Mammonite? Keep the nerf, Still not a single argument for reverting a small nerf on the most OP skill of the game in its current state but nonsense about Gravity, gutter lines not being a problem, and whataboutism. You'd just gut the class. ", http://cp.titanro.net/?module=ranking&action=character&jobclass=7. those classes have multitude of other strengths. then why shouldn't they be able to mob like a beast. I vividly remember playing euRO 14 years ago and nearly every single Knight I saw was a spear build that used Brandish. Rune Knights are the final evolution of the Knight classes. I have used it a bit and I miss a lot too. bowling bash; gutter; gutterlines; lines; gramps; weekly; quest; downloads; custom maps; custom; map; grf; By Laharyl, April 21, 2017 in NovaRO Discussion. Put BB on any other class and yes it would be the most broken shit, but knights have been balanced around the ability for ages and have been fine for ages. Aspersio at best lasts 3 minutes which no one is gonna mob very far with that. bowling bash is not intended to hit 2 times, that is why it has such high damage Hard to call it a "bug abuse" when nothing in game officially says Bowling Bash is only supposed to work on certain cells, nor is there any official in-game way to tell which cells are gutter lines, outside of having /where hot keyed until you eventually memorize gutter lines for that map. I'm not alone in this sentiment. Created as a spiritual successor to the defunct RCX add-on, SRH offers a handful of the same features from the defunct program. Bowling Bash also requires some getting used to. then you brought up a chart comparing them to assassins/rogues who are not a class built for it. And I don't know why you think getting some agi will help you getting hit less. Both of those are single target skills too, unlike Bowling Bash. The gutterline removal was introduced because we felt that no skill should require a third party program to play. Gutter lines were a fix to a problem that hasn't existed in RO for years and were an unnecessary hindrance to "new" Bowling Bash, so removing them is a quality of life improvement, rather than a buff to the skill. But hey, I could be complaining about a specific snake oriented card, which should proc 5% only, or with a certain passive skill already learned, shouldn't even take effect, but I am not here to take away the joy of a class, leaving a sour taste in every assassins mouth. Ragnarok Bowling Bash Gutterlines. and they should mob better than any other class by a mile since thats what they do. I am also on the opinion that this "fix" is unnecessary, and there is no valid reasoning behind it. Endure, increase hp recovery, etc. Bowling Bash strikes a single target with a smashing blow twice, where each strike will inflictphysical damage individually to all enemies within the area of effect and push them backwards.1 1 Notes 2 About Gutter Lines 3 Applications 4 Known Bugs The Cast Time cannot be interrupted. Knights require a lot of investment in build as without shit like raydric you aren't gonna farm well on them. If you are using BB on these gutter lines you only get 1x500% dmg instead of 2x500% off from the gutter lines. The server im playing is classic, no trans, just 2nd job and umbala episode is the new update. even WITH earth deleter you will still be using more pots than any other class. Arrow at bottom right can be used to cycle between RO clients. edit: eathena link points out that 2-hits 1 cell knockback BB is a bug, and was never intended to work that way. and some other page I found pointed out that Herc "fixed" that bug. I, myself, can feel the nerf. If you actually deal proper damage on that location when you are mobbing, use that SAME spot to mob. It's like if you nerfed double attack for rogue or EDP for sin. If you don't know what Gutter Lines are, they are the reason why there are times when Bowling Bash just won't work. with a 200% damage reduction being the difference between a two shot and a three shot on a mob. WOE boxes don't exist. Tree of Savior: Zereges (Falconeer-Mergen-Ranger) Ragnarok break now. Skill Range. Share Followers 0. something you DONT do on any other class. you can talk all you want about their "sp efficiency" compared to other classes but you are leaving out that knights have trash sp pools and sp recovery even with int and magni on they won't be spamming bowling bash. Post Aug 27, 2011 #1 2011-08-27T07:01. and you can't spam and be super effiicient without full high end gear basically. literally no one here is saying the ability isn't good. generalist its the best dps ability in the game pre trans, but whats wrong with that? Knights are a pain to gear up, require a lot of resources to farm with (even with earth deleter you are going to be spamming pots/fish to sustain your health). A blatant nerf will only build drama, a compromise could solve the problem. You can also toggle this setting by using the /bbe command in-game. Bowling Bash is balanced by a knight's limited sp pool and regeneration and the scarcity of sp items. Similarly, if we would nerf Double Attack from 50% to 40% chance (we're not),  would that make remove Rogues/Assassins ability to click stuff down? I would rather use hook instead of a "quality of life" "improvement" on my skills that basically reduces my damage by 20%. Aww, poorly buit? Elemental weapons are nice, but a lot of monsters are formless and don't have a weakness, and bowling bash is pretty weak to those right now. The class was powerful back then too. Hard to call it a "bug abuse" when nothing in game officially says Bowling Bash is only supposed to work on certain cells, nor is there any official in-game way to tell which cells are gutter lines, outside of having /where hot keyed until you eventually memorize gutter lines for that map. that's not really how flee works. Installation: 1) Make a Backup of Ragexe.exe in your RO folder. it's not that knights completely lost their identity with the nerf, its that you are nerfing them on a basis that has poor logic. This is not recommended for shared computers. Skill effect and description of the skill Bowling Bash in the mmorpg Ragnarok Online. I highly suggest trying to mob on a knight yourself. BB is still the highest DPS source and it's an AoE, stop complaining. I was disappointed in this nerf before I joined any guild, so there goes that. Also so think the only way to legitimately be better at using BB is to practice and understand the skill nature and how to position yourself properly. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. The grid is present on every cell that is divisible by 40 on the X and Y coordinates (type in /where) and the five adjecent cells to those. Bowling Bash is using a mechanic which draws gutter lines on a map to prevent massive mobs from chain-reacting. and that's with your efficiency. all the ways i found out to avoid it, its not official. Bowling Bash / Gutter Lines images. Keep the nerf. You came into this thread only to get personal, and to derail the actual discussion about the problem. Learn More. Momiji. Their name is often abbreviated and then referred to as just "RK". Just look for a grf editing tutorial, but make sure you back up your main grf file in case you mess something up. League bowling has long been one of America's favorite leisure sports. Nobody here is trying to "hide some truth" in a great conspiracy against Knights. But going with the hurr-durr I can do it better than Gravity mentality is way more damaging. Im planning to make a bow type rouge bowling bash type, but i dont know the right build and where to farm. using BB OFF gutter lines is bug abusing. Bowling Bash Gutter Lines. ติดตั้ง Mod สำหรับดู Gutter Grid โดยอุปกรณ์มีดังนี้นะจ๊ะ >> GRF Editor , Mod Geffen Dun3 , วิธีการติดตั้ง Mod << สามารถกดดาวโหลดทั้ง 3ไฟล์ได้ที่นี่เลย When you're on gutterline, you cannot splash damage with BB (you only hit 1 mobs from your mobpack), thats the ONLY thing we regret, we are not talkin AT ALL about the 2 hits. Server: PRO [VALKYRIE] Stat: str 96. agi 50. vit 70 +++++ [ lord knight exists because of two reasons, to be a tanker and damage dealer ] int 1. dex 50. luk 1. stat explanation – we all know there’s numerous build for an LK. My EndlessTower Video WoW (Drak'Thul): Zere, Shadow Priest, (offline too) … According to your logic Wizards can't do anything in Renewal compared to Classic because their damage got nerfed. Off topic: LMAO, at first I read the title as "Bowling: Gutter lines", so I expected this to be about the gutters at the side during bowling =p. On this server, though the damage nerf is very noticeable. Like you said yourself, hp pool, potion efficiency, endure, and bowling bash/brandish spear. This is not the case. the argument you've made against knights is that they mob and have better aoe/sp efficiency than any other class. BB might seem bad now because it's early on in the server, but once you get geared up and get that Earth Deleter Card and other sp solutions I'm sure it will feel great again. tl;dr Apparently, BB effect has been changed in official and there exists these "gutter lines" where you only hit once with BB. You can edit your mini map to show the gutterlines. I don't go pure vit. So, at least you are honest about nerfing, and not hiding it behind "quality of life improvement". Mobbing with an assassin with agi build no int and grimtooth uses alot of sp too, and does way less dmg. as such, gutter lines never impacted knights before anyway because we simply avoided them. Several functions may not work. All in all, if the GMs want to nerf, firstly look at more pressing matters, and avoid nerfing unnecessary things. Brandish Spear is ok, but it was never comparable to BB. if your flee isn't very high it doesn't do much for you besides dodge a weaker mobs attacks and the occasional attack from a solo mob thats stronger. there is nothing wrong with that. the kit is built around mobbing. Grey world is not supported and even a ban offense. If they become "OP" then we can look into them again, but right now I feel like they are pretty weak and the nerf was too pre-emptive. so do rogues. Gutter lines were a fix to a problem that hasn't existed in RO for years and were an unnecessary hindrance to "new" Bowling Bash, so removing them is a quality of life improvement, rather than a buff to the skill. Did you find this helpful? 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