So I agree with him that I too "find it hard to believe the ESV will ever be taken seriously outside of partisan circles ... the ESV reeks of mediocrity". Better Bibles Blog has moved. First is legacy. For its day, the RSV was a controversial release to say the least. This means some verses were “removed,” (I talk about this in the last… you know what I’m going to say). Upon marriage at 23, I was still regularly reading the New Century Version Bible, a 3rd grade reading level Bible I believe. The link to significant theological revisions is broken, which is a shame. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. They didn’t think their audience too dumb to figure out, “Hey, I wonder if just men called on the name of the Lord?”. Symptoms generally last an average of 5-7 days. ), and by replacing words whose meaning has changed significantly since the RSV translation (for example, Paul's statement in 2 Corinthians 11.25 that he was "stoned" once) You could say that RSV takes a more conservative approach by not separating the text as much. (RSV)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. The NRSV is also an updated version of the RSV. It retains the KJV language cadence even more so than NKJV according to some random folks out there on NKJV Bible fan land. In the NRSV sister is also used when the speaker is addressing a group of people. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! How RSV Is Diagnosed. Newly married, and working in a job away from home that required a substantial amount of driving time, I started listening to podcasts of a fairly controversial pastor who preached the ESV. (ESV), Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.Gen 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.Gen 1:4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. *Shrugs* I wasn’t alive back then, so I can’t verify that for you. Most people recover in a week or two, but RSV can be serious, especially for infants and older adults. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. The RSV is the ad fontes of ESV, NRSV, and to some extent, NIV. Wayne, have you found other theological revisions? ( Log Out /  The scholarship was still solid, but it seemed to many that the translation now was bowing to egalitarian concerns by going too far in its gender inclusiveness. Experiencing God's Presence in West Africa, by Jeannie Sindlinger, Writing the Wrongs / Righting the Wrongs, by Al Johnson (e-text). It is exquisite in literary style, conducive to memorization, and easy to comprehend.” Tetsunao Yamamori, Senior Advisor, Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization; President Emeritus, Food for the Hungry “The ESV is a joy to read. The simple case is, is part and parcel of the RSV was publishers learning that the world’s best book sells, and sells good. Since the ESV has been revised and translated by evangelical scholars, it has gained a larger following of evangelicals and is now one of the top-selling modern translations. are accurate translations of the manuscripts they’re based off of. The only thing I can think of which RSV and NRSV have in common but ESV does not is that their publishers and a few of their readings are somewhat liberal. I did an extensive study on Isaiah 7:14 here. 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. I’m not saying I doubt the 6% difference, I just don’t know the original source, where the ESV translators, or whoever decided that the difference is only 6%. Get your own chart! (One 2011 NIV I had puts the ‘debated’ text in italics.). Michael Marlowe has listed "Some Corrected Prophecies". Nevertheless, one of the Majestic aspects of the RSV I appreciate over the ESV was something I hadn’t heard of or ran into before, and that is when referring to God, the RSV retains archaic, majestic KJV-style pronouns. It has the “thees” and “thous” when referring to God. I grew up in an NIV family, sat under NIV preaching, and had trouble getting into the Bible. Matthew 10:36, from RSV to ESV is simply, “and a man’s foes will be those of his own household,” (RSV) as opposed to, “And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household,” (ESV). Further, in the RSV/ESV the only time sister is used is in the context of a familial relationship. The RSV is the ad fontes of ESV, NRSV, and to some extent, NIV. Sadly, the impact of this translation is likely to be further division within evangelicalism. The ESV does not. You can do so by going online here, and clicking on the “Submit a Request Feature“. view, just for you, Singing Owl! Majesty. (amazon.co.uk), Bible Translation: Frames of Reference, edited by Timothy Wilt Granted, in bigger cities, I don’t know, maybe the whole idea of Pew Bibles are laughable anymore, because you can just direct everyone to download a Bible app. Having been a rather steady reader of the ESV, and only now reading the RSV fairly regularly, I can agree. Better Bibles Blog del.icio.us tags inventory, A User's Guide To Bible Translations: Making The Most Of Different Versions, by David Dewey I quickly, like many people, became an avid listener, and would read a blog post or two from him here and there on my own time. The RSV has legacy. It can be also caused by influenza, parainfluenza, adenovirus, rhinovirus, human metapneumovirus, and Mycoplasma … The starting point for the ESV translation was the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version (RSV). Respiratory syncytial (sin-SISH-uhl) virus, or RSV, is a common respiratory virus that usually causes mild, cold-like symptoms. Or I should say, some have said that ESV sounds closer to KJV than NKJV does in some respects. For pastors (like me) who might consider to use the RSV at their church, it’d be nice to have accessibility to the translation as much as other popular translations. This is again, kind of brushing up on some content of my first RSV post. Which One is “Better?” Part 2, Bible Review: HCSB Pew Bible (with an NIV84 Pew Bible to compare), Bible Reviews: HCSB Notetaking and NKJV Journal the Word. I would have rather hoped that he would use his brain rather than his ears to make such theological judgments. In that respect, the NKJV will have all the content of the KJV where R or ESV will not. I have only been reading for a little bit so I won’t have multiple examples here. I’m sure many literal, six-day creation believers loved the RSV. This comment has been removed by a blog administrator. But NRSV has also removed the thee's and thou's, and is in fact a lot more different from RSV than ESV is. Typically, RSV causes a cold, which may be followed by bronchiolitis or pneumonia. I post verses from YouVersion fairly often. The ecumenicalism the RSV translation enjoys is certainly on display there. ( Log Out /  The ESV has its roots in the discussions that took place back in 1997 at the Focus on the Family headquarters in Colorado regarding the controversy over the proposed inclusive-language revisions to the NIV. it says, ‘one day,’ it doesn’t say when that day is, nor if it’s a literal 24 hr day or a day in the figurative since, as in in the day of creation.” *Shrugs* I’ve eased up on that criticism (I first heard from Kent Hovind, see last RSV article, again). Is NASB2020, and NET going to take off? The ESV is based on the 1971 edition of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) text.. Crossway states the ESV "emphasizes 'word-for-word' accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning." (RSV), Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.Gen 1:2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. There are arguments for a literal 24 hour in that “one day,” and I believe those arguments, and there’s no reason to argue with the RSV text, because they just translate. The reason why the NRSV is stylistically superior to the ESV is because the translators devoted a lot more time and attention to the task than did the ESV translators. All but the first and last of these relate to Messianic prophecies, and the ESV reading in each case can be criticised as dependent on a New Testament understanding of the passage rather than on the actual meaning of the Hebrew text as intended by its author. However, your doctor may suspect RSV based on your medical history, time of year and a physical exam. Yes, Majestic is my next argument. One Mark L. Strauss, in a bashing article on the ESV, throws that 6% difference from the RSV statement around, where he gets it I don’t know? And while I don’t appreciate the gender neutral languages of say NRSV or NIV, the fact that RSV uses “men” more doesn’t really mean I’m super excited. Who knows, maybe someday we’ll have access to the RSV again in a plethora of formats. Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) is a very common virus that leads to mild, cold-like symptoms in adults and older healthy children. 2 Peter 1 - Simeon* Peter, a servant* and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: Thanks and God bless. Give the RSV a chance. (amazon.co.uk), The Challenge of Bible Translation, edited by Glen G. Scorgie, Mark L. Strauss, and Steven M. 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This gives the sense of only-begotten. Note the more majestic touch in the RSV as well. In other words, the RSV is more consistent and unapologetic using masculine pronouns and nouns throughout the text than the ESV. In my estimation, the RSV would be a good common ground. (I will not argue here Young Earth Creationism v. Old Earth, etc. Overall, the ESV team made very little literary revision of the RSV. "Gen 1:7 And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. The English Standard Version (ESV) stands in the classic mainstream of English Bible translations over the past half-millennium. RSV can also infect adults. Joel 2:13 is really a matter of which English word is most appropriate in the context; RSV has kept KJV's "repent" but in a sense which is now archaic and misleading. And it was so.Gen 1:10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. 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